180.00 Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. Furthermore the matching case of issue. Known Silver Content Marks on EK2: SILBER: Quarter . (Iron Cross) This exhaustive list of 1914 EK2 Manufacturers was put together by my friend Jens. This does not indicate . WW2 IRON CROSS 2nd CLASS - MAKER MARKED "65" - WITH ENVELOPE OF ISSUE : SOLD ref:trm-ekiimm6-bg ; More Images; WW2 Iron Cross 2nd class - ring maker marked - "65" for maker 'Klein & Quenzer A.G.' of Idar-Oberstein a.d. Nahe - with envelope of issue also with the correct maker mark 'Klein & Quenzer A.G.' - with original period ribbon IRONCROSS #32725 Imperial 2nd Class Iron Cross. Cross makers often have several variants that keep collectors on the hunt. WW2 Bar to the Iron Cross 1st class 1st type - Material: die struck alloy, with silver finish and brass hinge, pin and hook This bar was awarded to recipients of the 1914 Iron Cross 1st class who were subsequently awarded the 1939 Iron Cross during WW2 For manufacturing process, please see the section in this article . 65 Klein & Quenzer,. It has a maker mark "D-W" on the suspension ring. Original black paint. 179.99 . Makers markings are located on the ribbon ring that is a large ring through a smaller ring--in which through the larger ring--the ribbon for the Iron Cross is put through. 1914 1st Klasse Eiserne Kreuz (Iron Cross) This page lists all the know manufacturer's markings found on 1914 1st Klasse Eiserne Kreuz manufactured up to 1918. WW1 GERMAN IRON CROSS SECOND CLASS - WS MAKER MARK. Attached by the recipient after the award. 1914 1st Klasse Eiserne Kreuz (Iron Cross) This page lists all the know manufacturer's markings found on 1914 1st Klasse Eiserne Kreuz manufactured up to 1918. 856 Here is a list of 1939 Iron Cross 2nd Class makers markings. View Details. All three versions of the Iron Cross were emblazoned with the date 1939 at the bottom. First look for any markings on the ring. Discussions on other First and Second World War militaria and collecting in general. 175.00 Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. Klasse, or EK2 or EKII). At least the frame tarnishes like silver and the core is magnetic. Here is a list of 1939 Iron Cross 2nd Class makers markings. I asked him how he knew that and he said that in the early 90's a well . Iron cross 2nd class of 1939 ribbon, full length 22.00 Iron Cross 1939. This is the usual place to find makers marks on the EKII. This is the usual place to find makers marks on the EKII. As worn by a veteran of both wars. (Iron Cross) This exhaustive list of 1914 EK2 Manufacturers was put together by my friend Jens. Regular version, without frame adjustment next to swaz. Oszeres, Jan 26, 2010 #23. chris222 recruit. $78.89 . No maker stamping evident. I will be comparing the WW2 iron cross which is a fake to a WW1 iron cross which is real. a WW2 Iron cross class 1, maker number 26, for sale Which is in its original box and both in imaculate . This example as removed from a tunic. The larger Knight's Cross measured 48mm in width and height. 1914 Iron Cross 2nd Class on its original ribbon. Made from cloth. Pictures 3 & 4 are the Iron Cross 1st Class. . Crisply detailed 3 piece constructed Iron Cross 1st Class with magnetic center. WW1 GERMAN IRON CROSS SECOND CLASS - WS MAKER MARK. Fig. 99.99 Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. 8323 German Luftwaffe Ground Attack Badge post WW2 1957 pattern maker: ST&L. Pre-owned Pre-owned Pre-owned. 10 Steps. Iron Cross 1st Class by Sebastin J. Bianchi The Iron Cross 1st Class had the same dimensions and identical obverse features as the 2nd Class (44mm by 44mm). $65.11 + $11.27 shipping + $11.27 shipping + $11.27 shipping. 11286 German WW1 Iron Cross First Class medal EK1 vaulted magnetic screw back. Deschler & Sohn = 1 Rudolf Souval, Wien. 179.99 . The Iron Cross 1st Class had the same dimensions and identical obverse features as the 2nd Class (44mm by 44mm). MAKERS MARKINGS #'s and NAME of manufacturer. . Maker marked to the ring. 65 Klein & Quenzer, Idar-Oberstein. Excellent condition, slight damage to the paintwork on the front side. I was recently shown a first class WW II iron cross marked L/11 on the pin. 1914 Iron Cross 1st Class, maker 'W' 1914 Iron Cross 1st Class, silver backed in excellent condition, maker marked 'W' for Wagner of Berlin, broad pin, an excellent first class IC1 with a less common maker mark 225.00 Enquire about this item GM0015 1914 Iron Cross 1st Class First class Iron Cross marked L/11. A great many 1914 EK1 were manufactured in the Third Reich era and will be found with various markings which are outside of the scope of this reference. An iron core may also have traces of rust after over one hundred years - or less, in the case of WW2 examples. While it still looks genuine to me other collectors have questioned whether or not some or the Third Reich items purchased from this dealer are genuine or not. Juncker = 2 or L/12 Wilhelm Deumer = 3 or L/11 Steinhauer & Lck = 4 or L/16 Fritz Zimmermann = 6 Paul Meybauer = 7 or L/13 Grossmann & Co. = 11 Frank & Reif = 12 Gustav Brehmer = 13 L. Christian Lauer = 14 Friedrich Orth = 15 Alois Rettenmaier = 16 Same applied to the First Class, bar was then worn above the decoration. TOOLS. There are serrations for easy turning. On this one you can see a little ko stamped on the top which is a sure sign the cross is real. Hersteller (Manufacturer) Marking: Maker: Location + Unknown: Unknown: A: Assmann: Ldenscheid: AP: Unknown: Unknown: AWS: A. Werner & Sohne (See Manufacturer's Marks) Berlin: B: Unknown: . The Iron Cross 1st Class and 2nd Class shared the same dimensions, measuring 44mm in width and height. From this time, the Black Cross was featured on the Prussian war flag . ), daggers, Signs, Helmets . An example of a 1914 First Class . 11 posts Page 1 of 1. hidalgo75. Klasse, or EK2 or EKII). 9: EK1 marked for Godet. Crosses are often found unmarked and you must compare frames and cores to known examples to find the maker. 25 AdGH 195.00 . Post. Rittmeister Carl Bolle (also as Karl Bolle ), PlM, MMC, HOH, IC (20 June 1893 - 9 October 1955), was a fighter ace with 36 aerial victories during World War I. I managed to get an unequivocal opinion: it is an early Deumer [Iron cross 1st class, without mark - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums Best regards Zoltan . 11286 German WW1 Iron Cross First Class medal EK1 vaulted magnetic screw back . Post. I asked the dealer what price he had on the cross and he told me that the cross was a repro. From this time, the Black Cross was featured on the Prussian war flag . WW1 GERMAN IRON CROSS SECOND CLASS - WS MAKER MARK. This does not indicate . Hosted by John G & William Kramer. This is where a magnifying glass comes in handy. Second try and slip a piece of paper between the . The screw-back is a round, fluted concave type. Joined: Apr 8, 2010 Messages: 1 . 99.99 E. Fred Wiedmann, Frankfurt am Main 20. I asked him how he knew that and he said that in the early 90's a well . + $6.01 shipping + $6.01 shipping + $6.01 shipping. 138 Julius Maurer, Oberstein.. 250.00 Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. . If you choose the payment method in advance, please transfer the . 250.00. by Bankers 30 May 2006, 16:30. It has a maker mark "D-W" on the suspension ring. There were 3 versions of the Iron Cross medal during the period of the Third Reich - the Iron Cross 2nd Class, the Iron Cross 1st Class, and the Knight's Cross. 19. E. I was recently shown a first class WW II iron cross marked L/11 on the pin. . The Iron Cross 1st Class and 2nd Class shared the same dimensions, measuring 44mm in width and height. WW1 1916 Austro-Hungarian Medal The Karl Troop Cross With Original Ribbon . 8323 German Luftwaffe Ground Attack Badge post WW2 1957 pattern maker: ST&L. Pre-owned Pre-owned Pre-owned. Real or Fake Iron Cross 1st class. $18.77 + $10.02 shipping + $10.02 shipping + $10.02 shipping. The Black Cross (Schwarzes Kreuz) is the emblem used by the Prussian Army and Germany's army from 1871 to the present.It was designed on the occasion of the German Campaign of 1813, when Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia commissioned the Iron Cross as the first military decoration open to all ranks, including enlisted men. 20: Maker's mark "L" on the ribbon ring, and the characteristic ninth bead in the crown's headband. To the right an original case for the Iron Cross 1st Class. . The cross looked good to me. It appears to be the traditional construction: a two piece silver frame surrounding an iron core. He became a Jagdstaffel commander during that war, and an advisor to the Luftwaffe during World War II. Constructed of 3 pieces, the 1st class was a breast badge and therefore the reverse was a solid silvered metal plate with only the attachment mechanism present. However, I do not wish to name the dealer concerned openly on the Forum. The illustrations show a First class Iron Cross made by Godet, Berlin, and an example of a Second class with the same core (Fig. MAKERS MARKINGS #'s and NAME of manufacturer. The Black Cross (Schwarzes Kreuz) is the emblem used by the Prussian Army and Germany's army from 1871 to the present.It was designed on the occasion of the German Campaign of 1813, when Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia commissioned the Iron Cross as the first military decoration open to all ranks, including enlisted men. First look for any markings on the ring. Fig. Member. The black cover of the case has partially come off. World War II was the first mechanized war, and the technological advancements were carried over to the awards industry - where previous Iron Crosses had been manufactured largely by hand, the Iron Cross 1939 was mass produced. Second try and slip a piece of paper between the actual cross and shell. Hersteller (Manufacturer) Marking: Maker: Location + Unknown: Unknown: A: Assmann: Ldenscheid: AP: Unknown: Unknown: AWS: A. Werner & Sohne (See Manufacturer's Marks) Berlin: B: Unknown: . The actual iron cross in the middle is a separate piece from the outer frame. Pair of Full Size Replica Iron Cross Medals with Ribbon Germany/Prussia WW1 WW2. Original period award document named to Luftwaffe Air Gunner/Radio Operator/Bomber Crewmember Obergefreiten Josef Knepper. Layaway plan, FREE shipping worldwide, best prices, RARE items, come & see ! The obverse depicts a raised "W" in the center with a Prussian crown at the top and the date, "1914" at the bottom leg. Three-part construction. On this one you can see a little ko stamped on the top which is a sure sign the cross is real. It appears to be the traditional construction: a two piece silver frame surrounding an iron core. . 2nd class. Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. . I've had this Iron Cross for a few years which I purchased from a dealer, in good faith, believing it to be genuine and not not a reproduction/fake. The Iron Cross in the same class cound not be awarded a second time, so the 1939 bar was introduced. Makers markings are located on the ribbon ring that is a large ring through a smaller ring--in which through the larger ring--the ribbon for the Iron Cross is put through. New New New. AGH-Arbeitsgemeinschaft, Hanau 165.00 Iron Cross 1939. First class Iron Cross marked L/11. IRONCROSS #37895 1st Class Spange with Screw-back This 1st Class Spange shows some wear and patination on the right wing as well as the swastika. On the obverse, all grades featured a mobile swastika in the center, with the year 1939 on the bottom arm of the cross. This Iron Cross has a fine patination throughout and all of the serrations are still crisp. WW2 Iron Crosses were usually never pure silver, and the 1st Class pieces could have a core of iron, brass, zinc or other metals, an iron core being the most desirable from the collector's point of view. 9-10). Posts: 21. The larger Knight's Cross measured 48mm in width and height. Iron Cross 1939 2nd class. 65 Klein & Quenzer,. Constructed of 3 pieces, the 1st class was a breast badge and therefore the reverse was a solid silvered metal plate with only the attachment mechanism present. The detailing is good throughout the bird and wreath. Cross makers often have several variants that keep collectors on the hunt. WW1 German Iron . . Louis Schneider, the Privy Court Councilor and Reader of his Majesty the King, notes in his 1872 work, The Book of the Iron Cross, that King Wilhelm I re-instituted the Iron Cross with an order dated 19 July 1870, the very day of his beloved mother Queen Luise's death. Known Silver Content Marks on EK2: SILBER: Quarter . WW1 GERMAN IRON CROSS SECOND CLASS - WS MAKER MARK. The document is dated "4, Juli 1941" 65 Klein & Quenzer, Idar-Oberstein. Very good condition. by Bankers 30 May 2006, 16:30. These maker lists are always a work in progress and are the direct result of collectors bringing new information to the community. A great many 1914 EK1 were manufactured in the Third Reich era and will be found with various markings which are outside of the scope of this reference. The top of the case shows an Iron Cross. Not to be confused with Carl Bolle (18211909), a German naturalist and collector. Although it was distributed in great numbers, the superior quality of the crosses manufactured remained consistent. The 1st and 2nd Class of the 1939 Iron Cross measured 44mm and were perfectly symmetrical, while the Knights Cross measured 48mm. Picture 2 is the Iron Cross Second Class (Eisernes Kreuz 2. This is where a magnifying glass comes in handy. Medals, Waffen SS, Holocaust (star of David, Zyklon, etc. Location. The original finish is still 100% throughout the obverse and reverse. Location 19. Deschler & Sohn = 1 C.E. Makers Mark Bottle, Original WW II German Medals, Pins & Ribbons, Original WW I German Medals, . Of the three medals the Iron Cross 2nd Class was most common while the Iron Cross 1st Class . Joined: 24 Aug 2005, 20:01. Location: San Francisco, CA, USA. The cross looked good to me. 11286 German WW1 Iron Cross First Class medal EK1 vaulted magnetic screw back. I asked the dealer what price he had on the cross and he told me that the cross was a repro. 2nd class. It sits atop a plaque marked "1939". Iron core.